[vibramhead]

[Malachai Constant]

$20 less than Crystal.

[Kim Brown]

If this thread is any indication, the population will decline because so many are eating each other. It's only December 5th......

[Malachai Constant]

This is a great time to troll and argue considering weather, road, and snow conditions.

[Kim Brown]

Sorta, but a bit meaner than, flipping guff around & cheating at checkers in front of the local bait shop/dry goods/sundry store's woodburning stove.

[Logbear]

Car pulls up to entrance station... Driver: Is it $30 each or does that cover both of us? Ranger: Well... $30 covers everyone in the car, but... Driver: Do you have any cash? Wife: No dear, just show her your pass. Driver: What pass? Wife: Your lifetime pass. Let me see your wallet....Here it is. Driver: No. That's the pass for Death Valley. See the wildflowers on it. Wife: Well, we used it in Death Valley, but you bought it at Fort Clatsop. You chose the wildflowers. Driver: Why would I buy a lifetime pass for Death Valley from Fort Clatsop? Wife: You didn't. You bought a pass that's good at all National Parks. Don't you remember? Driver: I remember buying some books at Fort Clatsop, But Fort Clatsop isn't a National Park. Ranger: Ahh Sir. If I could just see your pass we can get you on your way. Driver: Oh, here. Wife: If his pass doesn't work you can use mine. Driver: Hey, your pass has a bighorn sheep on it. That's what I want. Ranger: Beep. Sir, your pass worked fine. You're all good to go. Here's your newsletter. Enjoy your visit. Driver: Say..Can I exchange my wildflower pass for a bighorn pass? Ranger: No, we can't do that. Sorry

Driver: Oh well, thanks anyway. Oh, nice mountain by the way. Wife: That does it. Next time I'm driving. Driver: Good. Then I could read the newsletter. Hey, did I get my pass back? Wife: Maybe you should find a place to pull over. Driver: Might as well. I have to.....anyway.

[zimmertr]

[peter707]

My opinion is that the lifetime unlimited pass senior pass is good, cost-efficient public policy. Walking around at old ages increases lifespan, and massively increases 'healthspan'. More healthspan = less expensive elder care (and more happy elders!). On the other hand, the healthcare system isn't so good:

"^&*(, I broke my collerbone... today's the most expensive day of my life" (proceeds to ski out with 16 fractures)

[Randito]

I've never had the person at entrance gate any of the NPs I've visited ask to see ID or check the signature on the back of my interagency pass. Mt Rainier, Olympic, Death Valley, Yosemite, Great Basin, Arches, Bryce Canyon, Captial Reef, Grand Canyon, Zion, Crater Lake, Lava Beds. Some of those visits were with an annual pass and more recently with the geezer pass. My wife and I both having geezer passes has proved useful for booking campsite reservations at USFS and NPS campgrounds as we can book two sites instead of just one at the 50% rate and have enough room for the whole crew. It will be interesting to see if the underpaid staff working the entrance gates start taking the extra time to check IDs and sginatures. We are planning on visiting Yellowstone in 2024 with the whole crew and using just to two geezer passes to admit two van loads of people.

[RumiDude]

[BigBrunyon]

Won't stop the second hand market where the dealers gather by the park entrances. These guys churn big bucks standing there selling second hand tickets to the cars in the 3 hour wait lines outside of major parks. Huge profit margins. Nothing the park can do to stop them.