[zimmertr]

I also want to see a large societal push to electric. But I'm curious how that is supposed to work for non-homeowners? My girlfriend's commuter car is reaching the age where it's probably time to sell and buy a new-used replacement. We would love to purchase EV. But the need to park at, say, Fred Meyer every other day just to charge it. Or to drag a 220v extension cable from our dryer outlet to our street parked car (if that's even an option) seems prohibitive. Not to mention probably illegal under some municipal code. And the cable itself would probably be like $400 at that length/amperage. Also for the SUV haters my compact SUV gets much better fuel economy than her sedan. And is much safer.

[Ski]

[Chief Joseph]

Everything comes with a price...hydroelectric, kills off the fish. Internal combustion, kills the entire earth through global warming. Cobalt mining for batteries for electric vehicles, more destruction of the earth and slavery and death of children. Truly we were much better off when everyone heated with wood, grew their own food, raised livestock and/or hunted, and either walked or road a horse, I suppose human powered bicycles are ok, can't really think of a downside other than the time I crashed and hit my head. Technological advances come with a heavy price, but people don't seem to care much about that, they want what they want. If they do care, it's usually too late to change or do anything about it.

[Cyclopath]

[Ski]

^ Well said, sir. I doubt many people on this site realize just how big the bicycle was in the last two decades of the 19th Century. Outside of the initial investment, and the nominal costs of maintaining them, bicycles were effectively "free" transportation. But the North American continent is not the "low countries" of Flanders and Belgium and the Netherlands, and the bicycle was pushed aside with the advent of the automobile.

[neek]

Bikes are awesome. I made a conscious decision to bike commute about 20 years ago, and haven't looked back. (It's harder to give up the car when you have a kid though, or take up a hobby like, uh, hiking.) It's amusing to note, however, that under the right circumstances, biking can emit more carbon than driving.

[Schroder]

[Chief Joseph]

[Cyclopath]

[Ski]

[Randito]

[Leafguy]

[Stefan]

Norway. Sounds good in Oslo. I wonder what has happened in the further reaches north on Highway E6. What are they doing there?

[Schroder]

It seems like everyone complained about this before Gas Prices. Are they altering your behavior? (thread from 17 years ago) Be patient. The prices will come back down but likely not until next winter. I'm more concerned about the food prices.

[Tom]

I sometimes have the authority to lower gas taxes by $1 at Safeway. I must be more powerful than Inslee. As the saying goes, choices have consequences. This won't be the last time gas prices are high. 4 years ago I bought a new vehicle. I could have gone with an EV or hybrid but they ware so expensive and the cost/benefit just didn't add up. Found a great deal on a new Jeep, fully loaded for under $25K. It gets surprisingly good gas mileage for a SUV. I still don't regret my choice but I only fill up once or twice a month and ride my bike a lot more in the summer than I drive. I guess hiking trips will cost me a lot more this year.