[Allison]

Yes, Goat has it right. This is not about browbeating, but it IS about talking with others who like to get to off-the-beaten-path to see places not often visited. When we've had this discussion in the past, there has a bit of Hey, give it up! and like MG, I will give it up when asked in person or PM about a particular place. Unfortunately, sometimes when a place gets talked about here on the forum, a lot of people tend to get the same idea. Examples of this might be the butthabs, chicken leg, and the sknaT. All areas that can't take a lot of impact before they will get so trampled that there won't be much to see there any more. So if you tend to those kinds of places, let's hear what you have to say. I often find myself torn between keeping a lid on it so the place will stay nice for future generations and sharing a bit so that people open their eyes to the rich bounties here and therefore become better stewards of our fine wildlands.

[Backpacker Joe]

I guess I tend to lean to Mr. Curtis's fil-os-o-fee. Except I think that I posted my Eci Berg trip two years ago. That bugger was hard enough to get to that I'm not to worried about it, but in hind site I probably wouldn't do it again. There was no camp sites of any kind anywhere. There impact could adversely effect the area. Like ML Ill give it up if asked in person or thru PM, but not in open forum so much.

[Tazz]

[Allison]

I'm trying to facilitate a focused discussion on a particular issue that's been on my mind lately. Please don't take that personally, thanks.

[Secret Si back route]

This site isn't indexed well enough to be a thread\t (IMHO). You have to be a Dedicated Reader to figure out the secrets spots, and most DR's won't

[oosik]

[Slugman]

I like writing trip reports, so I usually would. But some of the "sensitive areas" people have made some good arguments over the years, so now I refrain from mentioning certain places like the sbuthtab. I would also refrain from metioning a place that someone shared with me on the basis that I wouldn't write a report on it. I like Don's point about the readers of trip reports. If someone is going there anyway, and just wants a condition update, then a report is utterly harmless. But if the reader is trolling for ideas on where to go, then the report could have the negative impact of increasing visitation to a sensitive area. I read trip reports both as idea-generators and as condition updates, plus a third reason: I just like reading them as stories. Here's a practical idea: we could have a thread for trip reports that mimics the "Don't name it, just enjoy it" that we have for lakes. A person would post a report in that thread, not naming anything or giving directions. If somebody can figure it out for themselves, great, but no guessing allowed. That is the kind of "rule" that has always been respected in the past, with "guessers" in the "don't name it..." thread quickly asked to knock it off.

[Jeff R]

way to put the drama in a realistic perspective Slugman! Also oosiks take on this problem was very profound and carried a lot of truth

[Backpacker Joe]

There could be a members only section that you needed a password to get into.... Some other sites have that going on.

[Tom]

[Lagerman]

I think there is no hidden meaning in what was said. No reason to play the game of not knowing whats up.

[Tom]

[solohiker]

Actually Lagerman, I didn't really understand where Tazz' comments came from either. I've never met Marylou, don't always agree with everything she says, but I have a huge amount of respect for her just based on the quality of her posts her knowledge and genuine love for both the outdoors and fine arts. I think Tazz was a little oversensitive or something, but sometimes that happens.

[Lagerman]

I love ML too. I have a box of never sent love cards that I wrote to her while listening to Barry Manilow. That isnt the issuse here solo. I don't think Tazz is saying he doesnt like her or appreciates her contributions to this site. This same thing has come up before. Once upon a time with me. This might not of happened in this thread, but again no use getting into it. It just kinda seemed like an ass jumping, for something alot of people have felt time to time. Just how I feel, though I will quit before no one likes me or it distracts me from the thread(Which I just started following, so maybe I better keep quite unless I am part of the conversation at hand)

[solohiker]

Roger Loggerman, but for the record, if I've followed it correctly, Tazz is a "she" and mania is her male counterpart. Now back to the topic ... I didn't know sknat were that secret. I thought I've read TR's there. BPJ wrote one on Edds. I don't know, I still swing both ways on that issue.